Subject: Re: I have a few questions #1

[The email below is part of a series of emails between me and my friend Jenny about some of the biggest questions people have ever asked about God, faith and the Bible. Click HERE if you haven't read Jenny's first email and then come back and read my response.]

From: Andy
To: Jenny
Subject: Re: I have a few questions
Date: Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Jenny,

Great questions, all of them. I’m so glad you sent them to me. I’m filling time at a Panera right now before meeting some of my family for dinner, but I’ll try giving an initial response and hopefully will find/make time soon to get to anything I miss. For starters, I’d like to just say that the questions you ask are incredibly complex and theological…which means, not everyone will agree about the responses to the issues you’ve raised. If you picked five pastors from anywhere in the world and asked them these questions you’d get at least 3 or 4 (if not 5) different responses. You’ll notice that I haven’t used the word “answer” yet, and that’s intentional. One of the things I’ve learned from nearly two years of seminary (yes, this is my last semester) is that there is really no such thing as answers when it comes to “God questions,” but the best we can do is give a response based on how we understand things (keeping the important things in mind; “important things” = the Bible, Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit, history and human experience…with our limited understanding of each of these things). I realize this is a very long introductory paragraph to an email that I’ve already said isn’t even going to “answer” any of your questions, but consider it a disclaimer that, at best, I’m only responding with my best understandings of these things in hopes that they might help you make better sense of things. Fair enough?

By the way, I know very little about the Jehovah’s Witnesses, except that all their churches are called “Kingdom Hall” and they dress nice and knock on people’s doors. Anything more I would claim to know about them would be purely speculation. Alright then, here goes…

1. They say that when we die, we return to our beginning-the dust until God comes again and makes his heavenly kingdom on earth. That his original plan was for us to live harmoniously here and in the end he will return the earth to his original intention for it. Only Jesus, God and the apostles are in heaven–we will not go. He as promised us an earthly paradise.

The creation story in Genesis tells us that we (humans) were created by God out of dust (Gen. 2:7) and that one day our earthly bodies will be no more; that we will die. Or, as we read in the next chapter of Genesis, “from dust you are [made], and to dust you will return” (Gen. 3:19). So yes, they’re right in a biblical sense on the first part, but the second part of that question is something all together different. I’ll treat the second part in two separate sections, 1) God’s plan to return the earth to his original intention for it, and 2) only Jesus, God and the apostles get to go to heaven (that we’re not invited to the main party, but to some “lesser” fiesta in the sky).

In response to part 1), I agree. God does have a plan for this world, and it’s not simply to destroy it like he did with the flood, but reading throughout the Bible we read images of, as the book of Revelation calls it “a new heaven and a new earth.” As Jesus taught the disciples to pray in the Lord’s prayer (found in both Matthew 6 and Luke 11), we are to pray for God’s kingdom to come and God’s will to be done “on earth as it is in heaven,” which to me means that God does not just have a paradise planned for us in heaven, but also here on earth. The problem of course, is that our earthly eyes are not capable of seeing God’s kingdom here in this world, although it is already here. God is active in this world right now, but as sinful people we are pretty sucky at figuring this out. Many theologians have explained this as a…get ready for a big word…paradox of God’s kingdom…saying that it is here now, but not yet. This points out the confusion involved and how it’s not something for us to fully understand in this life, but just because we don’t see God’s kingdom here on earth doesn’t mean it’s not here (kinda like how we know the sun is still in the sky even when there are clouds getting in the way of us seeing it. We would never be stupid enough to say the sun disappeared, but that’s because we have the experience of seeing the sun’s light and feelings it’s warmth. Might we also realize that we have experienced God’s presence, power, love and protection at different times in our life, but in much more confusing ways?).

As for part 2), I think it’s crap. I don’t think God would throw a VIP only heavenly party. That just doesn’t make sense to me. Without getting too confusing, the Trinity (God, Jesus, Holy Spirit) has always existed as the three-in-one, so God has never been “alone” in heaven. Even during the creation story he wasn’t acting solo. Read John 1:1 and you read that “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.” This might sound like weird poetry, but if you understand that “the Word” is Jesus, then all of a sudden you realize that it’s saying that Jesus has existed with/as God from the very beginning, even though we often think Jesus “started” when he was born as a baby in a manger (that was just the earthly/human beginning of Jesus Christ). Sorry if this is getting confusing. As for the “who gets to go to heaven” discussion, I’d strongly suggest you read the story Jesus tells about the wedding banquet in Matthew 22:1-14 and make sure you read it with the understanding that the wedding dinner Jesus is talking about is a metaphor for heaven. If it’s confusing to you, I wrote a paper about it for a class on the Gospel of Matthew last year and I’d be happy to send it to you (although it might not be very exciting for you because I think it was something like 12 pages long).

Oh no, I just realized how much I wrote and I only covered your first question. It’s almost time for me to get over to TGI Friday’s for my sister’s birthday dinner, so I’m going to send what I’ve written so far and try to write more about the other stuff later. (Plus I’m getting super distracted because attractive girls keep walking into Panera and I’m sitting right next to the door…haha). If you read this and it’s not working for you, let me know so I don’t send you even more thoughts like this that are just as unhelpful.

Have a good night.

Andy

P.S. Haven’t you heard? The Hills is coming back starting March 24!

[Click HERE to read part 2 of my response.]

Subject: I have a few questions #1

[I got the following email about six weeks ago from my friend Jenny (early 30s, married, three children). Note: I've changed the names of any people I know who are mentioned because their questions and situations represent all of us. Aside from Jenny and her family going to the church where I work and the fact that we have a close mutual friend, we also share a interest in several of the same reality TV shows (mostly on MTV, VH1 and Bravo). Like many stay at home parents, Jenny doesn't usually have a lot of contact with other adults during the day, so when a group of Jehovah's Witnesses rang her doorbell a few months ago and seemed interested in talking, she invited them in. They had a nice conversation and they've been coming back every other week since. Jenny is not interested in becoming a Jehovah's Witness (and they're aware of this), but the talks she has had with her new friends have led her to some great questions about God, the Bible and her faith, and that is why she wrote me an email and why we have been writing back and forth ever since. Over the next few days I will be posting portions of our emails in the order that they were sent/received. (By the way, she gave me permission to do this.) I have intentionally left some of the quirks and side comments in the emails to make them feel a bit more real/human, but the writer in me couldn't help but clean up some of the spelling and grammar. I have no idea if people will find this interesting or helpful, but my hope is that it will be both. Besides, how often do you get to read other people's mail? As always, feel free to comment.]

From: Jenny
To: Andy
Subject: I have a few questions
Date: Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Andy,

Okay–I have a question for you–a couple maybe. Sarah said she filled you in on my new friends who are Jehovah’s Witnesses. So, a few things have come up that I am unsure about. I don’t know how much you know about their religion (probably more than me) but, I guess they are VERY or only bible based-which is what intrigued me about visiting with them. Learning more about what is written in the bible is something I have been meaning to do for a long time-they are giving me a reason to do that. However, I am having a hard time finding things in the bible. So I will ask you! If you don’t mind!

1. They say that when we die, we return to our beginning-the dust until God comes again and makes his heavenly kingdom on earth. That his original plan was for us to live harmoniously here and in the end he will return the earth to his original intention for it. Only Jesus, God and the apostles are in heaven–we will not go. He as promised us an earthly paradise.

2. There is no hell.–However, I have found several passages in the bible that mention hell. They told me that many people think we are going to heaven or hell, but God never said we would go to hell.

3. This is from a podcast I listened to with Chuck Swindoll–not from the JWs. In his closing prayer he prayed ~nothing occurs in our lives that has not been wonderfully planned by you, our father. Really?

In trying to figure out why bad things happen to good people, I have tried to reason that although God has a plan for our lives, he has also given us all free will. That free will is what is to blame for the awful things that happen in people’s lives but God will help us through it. He will help make lemonade out of lemons. Does he really throw bad things at us to test us? See what we will do? I think of Amanda and Mike who I do not know, except through what Sarah shares, but did God really make Grace [their little daughter] sick to make them stronger or for some other purpose? I really struggle with this one. I also feel like I am going to have kids asking me this soon, and I don’t think I can answer it.

Okay, I know you have a life and are not just sitting at the computer waiting to answer the help line. Don’t feel bad about not answering all or any of my questions. I just thought I would throw it out there since Sarah said you might be open to it! So really, no pressure!

Hope all is well with you. Sarah said that Journey has been awesome! And, I may be way off, but is this your last semester of school?

Are you having withdrawals from The Hills? I have been watching the Gauntlet 3 to try and fill the void!

Take care,
Jenny

[Click HERE to read my response to this email.]